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发表于 2009-11-18 12:46 资料 短消息  加为好友 
今年最解气的一句话

话说奥巴马在上海演讲,有人问:你知道防火墙吗?
Do you know the great firewall?

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发表于 2009-11-18 15:11 资料 短消息  加为好友 
什么情况??





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发表于 2009-11-19 09:29 资料 短消息  加为好友 
为什么要加 great呢??





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QUOTE:
原帖由 xiaominglz 于 2009-11-19 09:29 发表
为什么要加 great呢??

正式名称就叫这个,缩写GFW

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发表于 2009-11-19 10:51 资料 短消息  加为好友 
楼上不知道大名鼎鼎——与长城Great Wall齐名的——G。F。W, Great。fire。wall吗?

有了这堵墙,很多好的、坏的、有颜色的网站都不能上。

本人一年被墙365天,终于有人冲它吐了口唾沫,虽然知道什么都不会改变,还是觉得很解气。

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哈哈哈哈哈,终于明白楼主原来是吃不到葡萄说葡萄酒酸了,哈哈哈哈。


可以理解,可以理解。我也是这个心态。同解气,同解恨。





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奥巴马好样的- -





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Okay.  All right?  Jon -- I'm going to call on my Ambassador because I think he has a question that was generated through the Web site of our embassy.  This was selected, though, by I think one of the members of our U.S. press corps so that --

好。怎么样?Jon——我将让我的大使提问,我想他有一个通过使馆网站提的问题。这是个挑选出来的问题,我想是由是我们美国记者团成员挑选的, 所以….

AMBASSADOR HUNTSMAN:  That's right.  And not surprisingly, "in a country with 350 million Internet users and 60 million bloggers, do you know of the firewall?"  And second, "should we be able to use Twitter freely" -- is the question.

洪博培大使:对。而且毫不奇怪:“在一个有3亿5千万网民,6千万博客的国家,你听说没听说过防火墙?” 第二,“我们该不该能够自由使用Twitter(叽喳网)?”——就是这个问题。

PRESIDENT OBAMA:  Well, first of all, let me say that I have never used Twitter.  I noticed that young people -- they're very busy with all these electronics.  My thumbs are too clumsy to type in things on the phone.  But I am a big believer in technology and I'm a big believer in openness when it comes to the flow of information.  I think that the more freely information flows, the stronger the society becomes, because then citizens of countries around the world can hold their own governments accountable.  They can begin to think for themselves. That generates new ideas.  It encourages creativity.

奥巴马总统:首先,我要说,我从没用过Twitter。我注意到,年轻人他们都忙着这些电子东西。我的指头在电话上打字有些不灵。但是,我对技术深信不疑,我深信信息交流的开放性。我以为,信息交流得越自由,社会就越强大,因为这样世界各国的公民可以向自己的政府问责。他们会开始独立思考,从而产生新思想,鼓励创造性。

And so I've always been a strong supporter of open Internet use.  I'm a big supporter of non-censorship.  This is part of the tradition of the United States that I discussed before, and I recognize that different countries have different traditions.  I can tell you that in the United States, the fact that we have free Internet --or unrestricted Internet access is a source of strength, and I think should be encouraged.

所以,我从来都是一个互联网公开使用的支持者。我大力支持信息不受管制。这也是我刚才所说的美国传统的一部分,我认识到不同的国家有不同的传统。我可以告诉你们,在美国,我们具有的自由的互联网——或者说上网无限制,是我们力量的一个来源,我觉得应该得到鼓励。

Now, I should tell you, I should be honest, as President of the United States, there are times where I wish information didn't flow so freely because then I wouldn't have to listen to people criticizing me all the time.  I think people naturally are -- when they're in positions of power sometimes thinks, oh, how could that person say that about me, or that's irresponsible, or -- but the truth is that because in the United States information is free, and I have a lot of critics in the United States who can say all kinds of things about me, I actually think that that makes our democracy stronger and it makes me a better leader because it forces me to hear opinions that I don't want to hear. It forces me to examine what I'm doing on a day-to-day basis to see, am I really doing the very best that I could be doing for the people of the United States.

我应该告诉你们,我应该坦诚地说,作为美国总统,有时候我倒希望信息传播得没有这么自由,因为这样我就不会老是听到别人批评我。我觉得人很自然地——当他们在有权有势的时候就会想,那个人怎么能那样说我,或者,那是不负责任的,等等。然而事实是,由于在美国信息是自由交流的,在美国有许多人批评我,说我什么的都有,我其实认为这让我们的民主体制更强大,也让我成为一个更好的领导人,因为这种做法迫使我倾听那些我不想听的意见,迫使我审视我每天的所作所为,看一看我是否为美国人民尽了全力。

And I think the Internet has become an even more powerful tool for that kind of citizen participation. In fact, one of the reasons that I won the presidency was because we were able to mobilize young people like yourself to get involved through the Internet.  Initially, nobody thought we could win because we didn't have necessarily the most wealthy supporters; we didn't have the most powerful political brokers. But through the Internet, people became excited about our campaign and they started to organize and meet and set up campaign activities and events and rallies.  And it really ended up creating the kind of bottom-up movement that allowed us to do very well.

我认为互联网成了这种公民参与的更强大的工具。其实,我能当选总统的原因之一,就是因为通过互联网我们能够调动起像你们这样的年轻人的参与。开始的时候,谁也不认为我们能赢,因为我们并没有所必须的财力最大的人的支持,也没有最有势力的政治掮客。但通过互联网,人们对我们的竞选活动产生了激情,他们开始组织起来,聚会,安排竞选活动、事项和集会,最后成了真正的自下而上的运动,使我们能够干得出色。

Now, that's not just true in -- for government and politics. It's also true for business.  You think about a company like Google that only 20 years ago was -- less than 20 years ago was the idea of a couple of people not much older than you.  It was a science project.  And suddenly because of the Internet, they were able to create an industry that has revolutionized commerce all around the world.  So if it had not been for the freedom and the openness that the Internet allows, Google wouldn't exist.

而这并不仅是政府和政治事务的情形,商务也是如此。大家想想,像谷歌(Google)这样一个公司,仅在20年前——不到20年前,来自两位不比你们大多少的人的设想。当时它是一个科技项目。但突然间,因为互联网的缘故,他们能够创立起一个给世界各地商务带来变革的新产业。所以说,若不是有了互联网的自由和开放,就不会有谷歌。

So I'm a big supporter of not restricting Internet use, Internet access, other information technologies like Twitter.  The more open we are, the more we can communicate.  And it also helps to draw the world together.

因此,我大力支持不对互联网使用、互联网上网、以及Twitter等信息技术实行限制。我们越开放,就越能够沟通,这也将有助于让世界走到一起。

Think about -- when I think about my daughters, Malia and Sasha -- one is 11, one is 8 -- from their room, they can get on the Internet and they can travel to Shanghai.  They can go anyplace in the world and they can learn about anything they want to learn about.  And that's just an enormous power that they have.  And that helps, I think, promote the kind of understanding that we talked about.

想一想——在我想到我的女儿玛莉娅(Malia)和萨夏(Sasha)的时候,她俩一个11岁,一个8岁,她们可以从自己的房间里上网,游历到上海。她们可以到世界任何一个地方,可以学习了解任何她们想了解的事情。她们拥有的是一种多么大的力量。我认为,这有助于推进我们刚才谈到的那种理解。

Now, as I said before, there's always a downside to technology.  It also means that terrorists are able to organize on the Internet in ways that they might not have been able to do before.  Extremists can mobilize.  And so there's some price that you pay for openness, there's no denying that.  But I think that the good outweighs the bad so much that it's better to maintain that openness.  And that's part of why I'm so glad that the Internet was part of this forum.  Okay?

如我刚才所说,技术总有不利的一面。它也意味着恐怖分子能够以过去也许不可能的方式在网上组织起来。极端分子可以进行调动。所以,开放是有一些代价的,这不可否定认。但是,我认为,好处如此远远超过坏处,还是保持开放为好。这是我对这个论坛有互联网的部分感到高兴的原因。

I'm going to take two more questions.  And the next one is from a gentleman, I think.  Right here, yes.  Here's the microphone.

我再回答两个问题,下一个问题来自一位男士,我想是。对,就在这里。给你麦克风。

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我注意到,这个问题的回答没有人鼓掌或喝彩

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完全不明白说什么的路过……

俺是英文白痴……





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我觉得奥巴马说的不错,但是做的未必能像他说的那么好。





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QUOTE:
原帖由 沙摩罗花树 于 2009-11-20 19:25 发表
我觉得奥巴马说的不错,但是做的未必能像他说的那么好。

政.治都是这样的啦,谁都靠不住,只能靠自己。

不可能指望欧巴桑万里迢迢来中国,无私帮助中国人民……

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